linux-kernel - Re: [RFC][PATCH] avoid swapping out with swappiness==0

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Message-ID: <4F5798B1.5070005@jp.fujitsu.com>
Date:	Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:19:45 -0500
From:	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>
To:	jweiner@...hat.com
CC:	satoru.moriya@....com, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, riel@...hat.com, lwoodman@...hat.com,
	shaohua.li@...el.com, kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com,
	dle-develop@...ts.sourceforge.net, seiji.aguchi@....com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] avoid swapping out with swappiness==0

On 3/5/2012 4:56 PM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 12:36:40PM -0500, Satoru Moriya wrote:
>> Sometimes we'd like to avoid swapping out anonymous memory
>> in particular, avoid swapping out pages of important process or
>> process groups while there is a reasonable amount of pagecache
>> on RAM so that we can satisfy our customers' requirements.
>>
>> OTOH, we can control how aggressive the kernel will swap memory pages
>> with /proc/sys/vm/swappiness for global and
>> /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/memory.swappiness for each memcg.
>>
>> But with current reclaim implementation, the kernel may swap out
>> even if we set swappiness==0 and there is pagecache on RAM.
>>
>> This patch changes the behavior with swappiness==0. If we set
>> swappiness==0, the kernel does not swap out completely
>> (for global reclaim until the amount of free pages and filebacked
>> pages in a zone has been reduced to something very very small
>> (nr_free + nr_filebacked < high watermark)).
>>
>> Any comments are welcome.
> 
> Last time I tried that (getting rid of sc->may_swap, using
> !swappiness), it was rejected it as there were users who relied on
> swapping very slowly with this setting.
> 
> KOSAKI-san, do I remember correctly?  Do you still think it's an
> issue?
>
> Personally, I still think it's illogical that !swappiness allows
> swapping and would love to see this patch go in.

Thank you. I brought back to memory it. Unfortunately DB folks are still
mainly using RHEL5 generation distros. At that time, swapiness=0 doesn't
mean disabling swap.

They want, "don't swap as far as kernel has any file cache page". but linux
don't have such feature. then they used swappiness for emulate it. So, I
think this patch clearly make userland harm. Because of, we don't have an
alternative way.

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