linux-kernel - Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML

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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307171005570.8258@kaball.uk.xensource.com>
Date:	Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:17:25 +0100
From:	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@...citrix.com>
To:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
CC:	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@...citrix.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Chris Ball <cjb@...top.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>,
	Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	<ksummit-2013-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>
Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML

On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 07/16/2013 09:58 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
> > 
> > Because Linux is the most widely used kernel, it's everywhere from
> > embedded devices to supercomputers.
> > Many different companies make a business on Linux and pay people to work
> > on it (not FreeBSD or NetBSD). But that's different from what I was
> > saying below. Also not all the sub-groups within the kernel development
> > circles work this way.
> > 
> 
> I think you have an inverse causal relationship here.
> 
> Linux took off in a way that the other OSS operating systems didn't, and
> several of them had started earlier and with way more funding available.
> 
> You really have to think about why we are not running Hurd, or any of
> the various *BSDs, and instead Linus' "not big and professional like
> GNU" hack.  In my opinion it was because the Linux community was in fact
> the most open and welcoming of the Open Source communities around.

Then it's the time to ask ourselves: is it still like this?


> > When HPA wrote "I find it utterly impossible to be offended by it", that
> > might be true for Linus' rants and I also find them humorous sometimes.
> > But unfortunately this kind of behavior is by no means limited to Linus
> > and it's easy to misunderstand, especially when you don't know the
> > person.
> 
> There seem to be a fair number of people who think they can imitate
> Linus' style but do so without understanding the subtle aspects about
> how to apply it.

Right, this is actually the main point I wanted to make.
Linus' outbursts are not the problem per se because Linus tends to
attack the code rather than the people and does so when he has a point,
without straying from the conversation.
However they set up an example that others try to imitate, without the
same thoughtfulness.
I guess this is the price to pay for being a role model ;-)
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