linux-kernel - Re: perf events ring buffer memory barrier on powerpc

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Message-ID: <20131101161819.GV16117@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Date:	Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:18:19 +0100
From:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	Victor Kaplansky <VICTORK@...ibm.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Anton Blanchard <anton@...ba.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux PPC dev <linuxppc-dev@...abs.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca>,
	Michael Ellerman <michael@...erman.id.au>,
	Michael Neuling <mikey@...ling.org>
Subject: Re: perf events ring buffer memory barrier on powerpc

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:40:15PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> The dependency you are talking about is via the "if" statement?
> Even C/C++11 is not required to respect control dependencies.
> 
> This one is a bit annoying.  The x86 TSO means that you really only
> need barrier(), ARM (recent ARM, anyway) and Power could use a weaker
> barrier, and so on -- but smp_mb() emits a full barrier.
> 
> Perhaps a new smp_tmb() for TSO semantics, where reads are ordered
> before reads, writes before writes, and reads before writes, but not
> writes before reads?  Another approach would be to define a per-arch
> barrier for this particular case.

Supposing a sane language where we can rely on control flow; would that
change the story?

I'm afraid I'm now terminally confused between actual proper memory
model issues and fucked compilers.
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