linux-kernel - Re: [alsa-devel] [RFC/RFT PATCH] ASoC: topology: Improve backwards compatibility with v4 topology files

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Message-ID: <s5hlgcapjaf.wl-tiwai@suse.de>
Date:   Wed, 23 May 2018 15:56:40 +0200
From:   Takashi Iwai <tiwai@...e.de>
To:     "Pierre-Louis Bossart" <pierre-louis.bossart@...ux.intel.com>
Cc:     "Mark Brown" <broonie@...nel.org>, <alsa-devel@...a-project.org>,
        "Guenter Roeck" <groeck@...omium.org>,
        "Liam Girdwood" <lgirdwood@...il.com>,
        "Guenter Roeck" <groeck@...gle.com>,
        "Chintan Patel" <chintan.m.patel@...el.com>,
        <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] [RFC/RFT PATCH] ASoC: topology: Improve backwards compatibility with v4 topology files

On Wed, 23 May 2018 15:42:59 +0200,
Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> 
> On 5/23/18 3:24 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
> > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 02:59:35PM -0500, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> >
> >> I am also not convinced by the notion that maintaining topology files is
> >> only a userspace/distro issue. This would mean some distros will have access
> >> to the required topology files, possibly enabling DSP processing
> >> capabilities, but other will not and will not be able to enable even basic
> >> playback/capture. Just like we have a basic firmware with limited
> >> functionality in /lib/firmware/intel, it would make sense to require a basic
> >> .conf file in alsa-lib for every upstream machine driver - along possibly
> >> with a basic UCM file so that audio works no matter what distro people use.
> >
> > The point here is that people should be able to update their kernel
> > without updating their userspace so things have to work with whatever
> > they have right now - anything that relies on shipping new firmware or
> > configuration files to userspace is a problem.
> 
> Agree.
> 
> My point was a bit different: distributions like Gallium start without
> the relevant topology files and UCM settings, and we should have a
> reference to quickly enable audio without having to borrow and modify
> files from another distro. I faced this issue when I worked with the
> Gallium folks to enable audio on Rambi and Cyan Chromebooks and
> ended-up creating this reference myself.

This sounds rather like a question how the upstream distributes the
stuff properly...


thanks,

Takashi