linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] Provide in-kernel headers for making it easy to extend the kernel

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Message-ID: <20190307152303.GA9819@kroah.com>
Date:   Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:23:03 +0100
From:   Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
To:     Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>
Cc:     Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>, atishp04@...il.com,
        dancol@...gle.com, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>,
        Guenter Roeck <groeck@...omium.org>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>, karim.yaghmour@...rsys.com,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Android Kernel Team <kernel-team@...roid.com>,
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        Manoj Rao <linux@...ojrajarao.com>,
        Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@...ionext.com>,
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        Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Shuah Khan <shuah@...nel.org>, yhs@...com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] Provide in-kernel headers for making it easy to
 extend the kernel

On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 10:03:43AM -0500, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 09:58:24AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > Hi Joel,
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:10 PM Joel Fernandes (Google)
> > <joel@...lfernandes.org> wrote:
> > > Introduce in-kernel headers and other artifacts which are made available
> > > as an archive through proc (/proc/kheaders.tar.xz file). This archive makes
> > > it possible to build kernel modules, run eBPF programs, and other
> > > tracing programs that need to extend the kernel for tracing purposes
> > > without any dependency on the file system having headers and build
> > > artifacts.
> > >
> > > On Android and embedded systems, it is common to switch kernels but not
> > > have kernel headers available on the file system. Raw kernel headers
> > > also cannot be copied into the filesystem like they can be on other
> > > distros, due to licensing and other issues. There's no linux-headers
> > > package on Android. Further once a different kernel is booted, any
> > > headers stored on the file system will no longer be useful. By storing
> > > the headers as a compressed archive within the kernel, we can avoid these
> > > issues that have been a hindrance for a long time.
> > >
> > > The feature is also buildable as a module just in case the user desires
> > > it not being part of the kernel image. This makes it possible to load
> > > and unload the headers on demand. A tracing program, or a kernel module
> > > builder can load the module, do its operations, and then unload the
> > > module to save kernel memory. The total memory needed is 3.8MB.
> > >
> > > The code to read the headers is based on /proc/config.gz code and uses
> > > the same technique to embed the headers.
> > >
> > > To build a module, the below steps have been tested on an x86 machine:
> > > modprobe kheaders
> > > rm -rf $HOME/headers
> > > mkdir -p $HOME/headers
> > > tar -xvf /proc/kheaders.tar.xz -C $HOME/headers >/dev/null
> > > cd my-kernel-module
> > > make -C $HOME/headers M=$(pwd) modules
> > > rmmod kheaders
> > 
> > As the usage pattern will be accessing the individual files, what about
> > implementing a file system that provides read-only access to the internal
> > kheaders archive?
> > 
> >     mount kheaders $HOME/headers -t kheaders
> 
> I thought about it already. This is easier said than done though. The archive
> is compressed from 40MB to 3.6MB. If we leave it uncompressed in RAM, then it
> will take up the entire 40MB of RAM and in Android we don't even use
> disk-based swap.
> 
> So we will need some kind of intra file compressed memory representation that
> a filesystem can use for the backing store. I thought of RAM-backed squashfs
> but it requires squashfs-tools to be installed at build time (which my host
> distro itself didn't have).
> 
> It is just so much easier to use tar + xz at build time, and leave the
> decompression task to the user. After decompression, the files will live on
> the disk and the page-cache mechanism will free memory when/if the files fall
> off the LRUs.
> 
> WDYT?

I think the compressed tarball is much simpler/easier overall.  If
someone really wants the filesystem, they just uncompress it into a
tmpfs mount.  It's much less moving kernel code to worry about.

thanks,

greg k-h