linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v8 7/7] iommu/vt-d: Use bounce buffer for untrusted devices

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Message-ID: <af54fa85-440a-52e4-cf6c-d2052ee9f385@arm.com>
Date:   Fri, 30 Aug 2019 15:27:54 +0100
From:   Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com>
To:     David Laight <David.Laight@...LAB.COM>,
        'Lu Baolu' <baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
        Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>,
        Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@...gle.com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
Cc:     "ashok.raj@...el.com" <ashok.raj@...el.com>,
        "jacob.jun.pan@...el.com" <jacob.jun.pan@...el.com>,
        "alan.cox@...el.com" <alan.cox@...el.com>,
        "kevin.tian@...el.com" <kevin.tian@...el.com>,
        "mika.westerberg@...ux.intel.com" <mika.westerberg@...ux.intel.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "pengfei.xu@...el.com" <pengfei.xu@...el.com>,
        Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>,
        Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@...sung.com>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com>,
        Juergen Gross <jgross@...e.com>,
        Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@...nel.org>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        "iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org" <iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 7/7] iommu/vt-d: Use bounce buffer for untrusted
 devices

On 30/08/2019 14:39, David Laight wrote:
> From: Lu Baolu
>> Sent: 30 August 2019 08:17
> 
>> The Intel VT-d hardware uses paging for DMA remapping.
>> The minimum mapped window is a page size. The device
>> drivers may map buffers not filling the whole IOMMU
>> window. This allows the device to access to possibly
>> unrelated memory and a malicious device could exploit
>> this to perform DMA attacks. To address this, the
>> Intel IOMMU driver will use bounce pages for those
>> buffers which don't fill whole IOMMU pages.
> 
> Won't this completely kill performance?

Yes it will.

Though hopefully by now we're all well aware that speed and security 
being inversely proportional is the universal truth of modern computing.

> I'd expect to see something for dma_alloc_coherent() (etc)
> that tries to give the driver page sized buffers.

Coherent DMA already works in PAGE_SIZE units under the covers (at least 
in the DMA API implementations relevant here) - that's not an issue. The 
problem is streaming DMA, where we have to give the device access to, 
say, some pre-existing 64-byte data packet, from right in the middle of 
who knows what else. Since we do not necessarily have control over the 
who knows what else, the only universally-practical way to isolate the 
DMA data is to copy it away to some safe sanitised page which we *do* 
control, and make the actual DMA accesses target that.

> Either that or the driver could allocate page sized buffers
> even though it only passes fragments of these buffers to
> the dma functions (to avoid excessive cache invalidates).

Where, since we can't easily second-guess users' systems, "the driver" 
turns out to be every DMA-capable driver, every subsystem-level buffer 
manager, every userspace application which could possibly make use of 
some kind of zero-copy I/O call...

Compared to a single effectively-transparent implementation in a single 
place at the lowest level with a single switch for the user to turn it 
on or off depending on how security-critical their particular system is, 
I know which approach I'd rather review, maintain and rely on.

Robin.

> Since you have to trust the driver, why not actually trust it?
> 
> 	David
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