linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Code tagging framework and applications

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Message-ID: <20220908063548.u4lqkhquuvkwzvda@kmo-framework>
Date:   Thu, 8 Sep 2022 02:35:48 -0400
From:   Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@...ux.dev>
To:     Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/30] Code tagging framework and applications

On Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 09:45:18AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 09:04:28 -0400
> Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@...ux.dev> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 01:00:09PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > Hmm, it seems that further discussion doesn't really make much sense
> > > here. I know how to use my time better.  
> > 
> > Just a thought, but I generally find it more productive to propose ideas than to
> > just be disparaging.
> > 
> 
> But it's not Michal's job to do so. He's just telling you that the given
> feature is not worth the burden. He's telling you the issues that he has
> with the patch set. It's the submitter's job to address those concerns and
> not the maintainer's to tell you how to make it better.
> 
> When Linus tells us that a submission is crap, we don't ask him how to make
> it less crap, we listen to why he called it crap, and then rewrite to be
> not so crappy. If we cannot figure it out, it doesn't get in.

When Linus tells someone a submission is crap, he _always_ has a sound, and
_specific_ technical justification for doing so.

"This code is going to be a considerable maintenance burden" is vapid, and lazy.
It's the kind of feedback made by someone who has looked at the number of lines
of code a patch touches and not much more.