linux-kernel - Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"

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Message-ID: <YzoY+dxLuCfOp0sL@ZenIV>
Date:   Mon, 3 Oct 2022 00:04:25 +0100
From:   Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>
To:     "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@....com>
Cc:     Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
        Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@...mhuis.info>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@...uxfoundation.org>,
        workflows@...r.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        "regressions@...ts.linux.dev" <regressions@...ts.linux.dev>,
        ksummit@...ts.linux.dev,
        Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@....com>
Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla
 blues"

On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 10:20:40PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:

> Bugzilla hasn't been updated in a very long time so it's missing both
> mailing lists and individual kernel developers.
> 
> AFAIK, some pieces of kernel have no appropriate mailing lists at all.
> What about that? I've no clue.

There's that file, right in the root of the source tree.  Called "MAINTAINERS",
in all-caps...  Could have something to do with locating maintainers, could it not?

> Opt-in will work, except I've no idea how to make it work. Mass email
> all the kernel developers and politely invite them to sign up? Most will
> simply ignore it.

Sigh...   You really don't seem to appreciate just how deep a septic
tank you've jumped into with your combination of "it should be opt-out"
and "but unsubscribing takes just a minute, what are you unhappy about?!?"

Maybe you are not using email a lot, but for just about everyone who does...
We have heard that.  Many, many times.  From many sources - spammers,
"legitimate" companies' marketing departments, etc.

And you keep moving along the same track - the usual reaction of some
company after having pulled back a bloody stump and enjoyed the pile of
explanations of the reasons why opt-out is *NOT* *ACCEPTABLE*, *EVER*
is along the lines of "OK, we'll just spam everyone in our database once
and ask them to opt-in - that must be OK, right?"