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Date:	Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:04:35 -0500
From:	Paul Moore <>
To:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 3/3] tun: fix LSM/SELinux labeling of tun/tap devices

On Friday, December 07, 2012 02:25:16 PM Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 04:09:51PM -0500, Paul Moore wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:57:16 PM Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 11:56:45AM -0500, Paul Moore wrote:
> > > > The SETQUEUE/tun_socket:create_queue permissions do not yet exist in
> > > > any released SELinux policy as we are just now adding them with this
> > > > patchset. With current policies loaded into a kernel with this
> > > > patchset applied the SETQUEUE/tun_socket:create_queue permission would
> > > > be treated according to the policy's unknown permission setting.
> > > 
> > > OK I think we need to rethink what we are doing here: what you sent
> > > addresses the problem as stated but I think we mis-stated it.  Let me
> > > try to restate the problem: it is not just selinux problem. Let's assume
> > > qemu wants to use tun, I (libvirt) don't want to run it as root.
> > > 
> > > 1. TUNSETIFF: I can open tun, attach an fd and pass it to qemu.
> > > Now, qemu does not invoke TUNSETIFF so it can run without
> > > kernel priveledges.
> > 
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe libvirt does this while running as
> > root.  Assuming that is the case, why not simply setuid()/setgid() to the
> > same credentials as the QEMU instance before creating the TUN device? 
> > You can always (re)configure the device afterwards while running as
> > root/CAP_NET_ADMIN.
> We want isolation between qemu instances.

Understood, I agree.

Achieving separation via SELinux is easily done, with libvirt/sVirt already 
doing this for us automatically in most cases; the only thing we will want to 
do is make sure the SELinux policy is aware of the new permission.

Achieving separation via DAC should also be easily done, simply run each QEMU 
instance with a separate UID and/or GID.

> Giving qemu right to open tun and SETIFF would give it rights
> to access any tun device.

I'm quickly looked at tun_chr_open() again and I don't see any special 
rights/privileges required, the same for tun_chr_ioctl() and 
__tun_chr_ioctl().  Looking at tun_set_queue() I see we call tun_not_capable() 
which does a simple DAC check; it must have the same UID/GID or have 

I'm having a hard time seeing the problem you are describing; help me 

> There could also be user tun users we want them isolated from qemu.

Once again, should be possible using either SELinux, DAC, or both.

paul moore
security and virtualization @ redhat

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